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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007



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The 1993 film with Thomas Kretschman is absolutely fantastic. Obviously not an easy watch, but great. It's from the German side, and it's got this unique sense of doom running through it, as if the characters know they're on the wrong side of history, but also know they can't stop. It manifests early on, even when they're on leave in Italy.

It also has a tank assault that's one of the best battle scenes ever filmed.

On a completely unrelated topic, there was some possibly german film, possibly pre war, that showed a full scale tank battle using hundreds of real tanks. I know that's an impossibly vague description, but does anyone know?

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I'm pretty sure there was a russian film that did that.

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I'm pretty sure there was a russian film that did that.

I have a feeling it's 'The Battle of Neretva' but I'm hoping there's another, as I'm a sucker for those old style epic films.

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On a completely unrelated topic, there was some possibly german film, possibly pre war, that showed a full scale tank battle using hundreds of real tanks. I know that's an impossibly vague description, but does anyone know?

A lot of old Soviet war films used actual WW2 tanks as well as shitloads of army conscripts as extras to create large-scale battle scenes, IIRC.

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A lot of old Soviet war films used actual WW2 tanks as well as shitloads of army conscripts as extras to create large-scale battle scenes, IIRC.

The film Waterloo used something like 17,000 Red Army soldiers to film its battle scenes. There was the joke at the time that the director was commanding the 7th largest army in the world.

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I believe we first see him as the guy on the rooftop Zhukov gives the signal to outside the funeral.

I believe this was just a case of mistaken identity; while the Red Army officer in question did broadly resemble Brezhnev, there's no historical basis for it.

Of course, there's no historical basis for a lot the things that happened in the film, so

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The 1993 film with Thomas Kretschman is absolutely fantastic. Obviously not an easy watch, but great. It's from the German side, and it's got this unique sense of doom running through it, as if the characters know they're on the wrong side of history, but also know they can't stop. It manifests early on, even when they're on leave in Italy.

It also has a tank assault that's one of the best battle scenes ever filmed.

On a completely unrelated topic, there was some possibly german film, possibly pre war, that showed a full scale tank battle using hundreds of real tanks. I know that's an impossibly vague description, but does anyone know?

Yeah, it is fairly a underrated film in general. If you want axis WW2, Das Boot and Stalingrad tend to be at the top of my list.

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Nov 12, 2012


I thought this was a pretty good movie, even though I did not laugh once.

Maybe after seeing I Daniel Blake and reading about the Nassar stuff I find institutions/systems that just straight up work as a meat grinder not funny anymore.

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I can't be the only one who thought the ending was setting up a sequel - "The Death of Kruschev" or something.

I'd rather see a sequel about the Cuban Missile Crisis, though I guess Dr. Strangelove covered the same territory.

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The Death of Kennedy would be a pretty fun movie, but it wouldn't fly with American audiences.

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If they portrayed the Kennedies as a bunch of mobbed up rapist fucks, it would be amazing.

So you're saying, it'd be good if it were accurate?

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So you're saying, it'd be good if it were accurate?

They could get Buscemi to come back as Dr. Feelgood

Better than the modern day saints they are usually portrayed as. It's good material as JFK's opponent was Richard Millhouse Nixon. You've got a good looking, charismatic rapist and drug addict vs a repressed drunk who was faithful to his wife and not much else.

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Better than the modern day saints they are usually portrayed as. It's good material as JFK's opponent was Richard Millhouse Nixon. You've got a good looking, charismatic rapist and drug addict vs a repressed drunk who was faithful to his wife and not much else.

Rotten.com used to have a cool little wiki/op-ed of significant 20th century events, people and stuff called the Rotten Library (sadly I think it's gone now), and the piece about Nixon was really interesting. The Nixon Tapes section alone was worth a read, but then there's also a letter from him to someone where he can't shut the gently caress up about good McDonald's is (in fairness, it was new-ish as a national franchise at the time).

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Having trouble finding a good gif of Isaacs as Zhukov, specifically the bit with the medals all clinking down. Anyone able to help?

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My favorite snippet about Nixon was that the guy used to drive his future wife around on dates with other men.

Nixon's letters to Pat before they married would end up on one of those "Worst of OKCupid" blogs if they were written today.

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I loved this movie, like I love everything Iannucci touches. I thought the tone gelled really well with the insane comedy and the horrific violence. I would've watched it anyway because Paul Whitehouse doesn't get enough screentime for what an amazing and underappreciated actor he is.

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Kinda want an Iannucci movie about Iran-Contra crisis after reading this thread


Well, and I wanna see this movie.

Oh god yes, I want Iannucci’s take on Reagan second possibly to a series of films about the Grand Poobah of loving batshit politicians, Silvio Berlusconi

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Loved this film, agree with everyone how the warehouse scene just kind of creeps up on you and I love the film all the more for it. That jarring change in tone is a real eye-opener.

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Kinda want an Iannucci movie about Iran-Contra crisis after reading this thread

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006



Beria was a prolific serial killer who raped and murdered teenage girls fyi. The movie only hints at the extent of his monstrosity but I don't think it's trying to draw moral equivalency between Beria and Khrushchev.

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Mike N Eich
Jan 26, 2007

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I love that Molotov was a true believer who's brain almost got fried when Beria caught him in a sort of logical time loop concerning his wife and staying loyal to the party. I also love that all of them hate the bishops and its just another power play.

I know nothing of the historical Malenkov but now in my mind he's always gonna be a weak, fatuous idiot. Khruschev is now, canonically, Steve Buscemi, who's only becoming funnier in his old age.

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I love that Molotov was a true believer who's brain almost got fried when Beria caught him in a sort of logical time loop concerning his wife and staying loyal to the party.

This is why Molotov is my favourite character. He was loyal stalinist to the very end. I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics you have to pull through if sparing your wife's life makes you accuse someone being disloyal to the party line.

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The most unbelievable bit that took me out of the movie for a second was when Stalin's daughter hugged Beria.

This movie made me look up the real history of this power struggle, and i was just looking at Beria's article on wikipedia and this photo is on there



beria is like an archetypal villain, supremely creepy, and kinda putin-ey

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The most unbelievable bit that took me out of the movie for a second was when Stalin's daughter hugged Beria.

Among the most damning judgements of the Stalinist leadership is that they wouldn’t let their own teenage+ daughters go near Beria. But for 20 years he was free to cruise around town in his surprise sex car

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Jul 22, 2007



The massacre of the mourners took me out of the movie a bit. Obviously it’s a comedy and I’m not expecting strict historical accuracy but inventing a massacre of 1500 people is a little weird.

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Mike N Eich
Jan 26, 2007

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I think hundreds of people *did* get trampled to death in the chaos of the crush of human beings that came to see Stalin's body, but it wasn't an NKVD slaughter.

Interestingly, what did trigger Beria's downfall was the East German revolt in 1953, which confirmed to the central committee Beria didn't have a strong enough grip to keep the Eastern Bloc under control. That could have been used by the movie but I think they decided to continue to focus on the week or so after Stalin's death for artistic purposes.

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Oct 4, 2013

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Yeah, I assume the writers needed some catalyst for everyone uniting against Beria in the immediate aftermath of the funeral so the film could stick to a small timeframe. And portraying civilians being massacred once again highlights the government's callousness towards its citizens.

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maybe it's just me, but I feel like the film could have shaved a few minutes off of the orchestral performance plot and added a bit more around the funeral to make this seem a bit less abrupt.

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