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Kevlar v2.0
Dec 25, 2003



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Should have sent down Wilson and let Javy pitch mop up.

Very happy Bryant's back. Maybe he'll light a fire under Rizzo.

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The Cubs are now 1-10 in 1-run games on the road

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Oct 29, 2011

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Please see my title for my thoughts on Joe Maddon and his managerial decision making abilities

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Joe Maddon is a bad hippy manager who thinks he is some wizard and its still 1970 and his "alternative" methods work. Dude is poo poo and has always been poo poo. He is the anti-vaxxer of coaching.

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Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008



The World Series broke him. It should have been the crowning achievement of his managerial career. But he managed it like a guy who had money on the other team so the narrative was "Cubs won the World Series but WTF was Joe Maddon doing".

All the poo poo he does now feels like it's trying to make up for that. I still think he handles players well (although not many guys seem to be improving under him anymore) but his in-game managing is bad.

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it's....still the crowning moment of his managerial career

It is but everyone who watched the World Series realized they won in spite of him. He was so close to being one of the biggest goats in WS history.

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The World Series broke him.

Lowtax could have paid for his spinal surgery and to move the forums to XenForo if he had a buck for every time you've said this.

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Kevlar v2.0
Dec 25, 2003



My take on Joe is he's a great manager of people, but a not-so-great manager of games. Players all love to play for him, he knows the importance of keeping things loose and fun, and he's good about giving guys rest over the course of a long regular season. IIRC since he starting coaching the team, the Cubs have had the best post-All-Star-break record in the majors every single year.

When it comes to the nitty-gritty of individual games, however, he has a lot of issues. The lineup is tinkered with on a daily basis, seemingly at random. He'll have "his guy" in the bullpen that he'll call on way too often, even with better options available. This year it's Cishek. It's been Travis Wood in years past. When a reliever has a garbage outing, he'll INSIST on bringing the same pitcher in the following game to redeem himself, but usually he just gets blown up again (often this is Justin Wilson). He ignores the fact that some pinch hitters and relief pitchers have reverse splits, so he'll put them in at a disadvantage in specific situations. And then there was the whole mismanagement of both Hendricks and Chapman in the World Series, which still makes me nervous when I watch game 7, even though I know how it ends.

So basically over the course of a grueling 162-game regular season, I absolutely want Maddon as my coach. But in a 5 or 7-game playoff series, where his management decisions are magnified, he makes me nervous as hell.

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He's definitely the best Cubs coach in my lifetime. It's not like I'm longing for the days of Mike Quade or Don Baylor.

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He's definitely the best Cubs coach in my lifetime. It's not like I'm longing for the days of Mike Quade or Don Baylor.

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Dec 25, 2003




Don Zimmer, Lou Piniella, and Joe Maddon are the only Cubs coaches with career winning records in my lifetime, and Maddon has by far the best winning percentage of them all. Technically, I was alive for Jim Frey too, but I was only 3 when he was fired.

Lou's commercials were way better than Maddon's Binny's commercials though

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Seriously I get Joe has made some bone headed moves (in hindsight) but overall I think he is a good manager. He managed the World Series well except over using Chapman in game 7 but that's a difficult thing to determine and given the circumstances you can see why you try to get that last bit out of him.

He does weird stuff with the lineup but that's kind of a whatever to me. He needed to be playing Almora more earlier but it seems he's finally come around.

Bullepen management is always bad for every manager, no fan has ever not complained about it. Justin Wilson sucks but if you're Joe you still need to use him so you throw him in non consequential situations and it's fine.

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Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

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He routinely puts Wilson in high leverage though. Also I'd argue that even more egregious than his overuse of Chapman was his treatment of Hendricks in WS G7. He was so obsessed with the plan to bring Lester in early to relieve that I think Kyle could have thrown four perfect innings and he still would have been yanked.

That said he is a good people manager and if he just let a competent bench coach handle all the pitching decisions in game he'd look like the best manager in baseball.

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Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008



I agree with just about everything Kevlar said. Only difference is that I don't think the batting order matters much as long as your best guys are at the top. I did think having Schwarber leading off was dumb because it allowed teams to shift on him (you want your lefty shift guys up with runners on). And Almora should have played more although I see what's so enticing about Happ.

I also don't know what the gripe is with Wilson. He's been a good reliever this year (and was really good on the Tigers last year). What other options are there? Cishek and Strop pitch a ton. Edwards has been hurt. Do you really want Randy Rosario who has been lucky as poo poo pitching more? Or Duensing who's been trash? He's a good 5th bullpen arm.

And for all the talk of Game 7, his fuckup was bringing Chapman into Game 6 so early. He freaked the gently caress out in a 7-2 game and brought in a completely gassed Chapman.

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if I was Joe I would have kept Kyle in longer in game 7, and not brought in Aroldis so early

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if I was Joe I would have kept Kyle in longer in game 7, and not brought in Aroldis so early

Cubs would have won the world series with my strat

See this goon gets it.

In other news, the Brewers lost an actual game last night so the Cubs are only a single game back. Now please don't get swept by the Padres like last year.

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It feels like the Cubs have been 1-1.5 games back for a month now.

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Dec 25, 2003



I made a chart of their record in every margin of victory/loss this season. They're extremely bad in 1-run games. 16 of their 38 losses this season are by one run. The only other margin they have a losing record in is 9-run games, which amazingly they've played 5 of this season already.

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The Cubs are now 1-10 in 1-run games on the road

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The Brewers actually lost several games in a row and the Cubs took the lead...?

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Just wanna say, great 1st half Cubs posting everyone. I'm really proud of what we've accomplished here and looking forward to an even better second half leading into a truly Cubs posting post season.

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Just wanna say, great 1st half Cubs posting everyone. I'm really proud of what we've accomplished here and looking forward to an even better second half leading into a truly Cubs posting post season.

We stole Even-year bullshit from the Giants when we beat them in the 2016 NLDS. The World Series win is inevitable.

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