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Mob justice was bad when liberals got mass offended online to get people fired, and its bad when conservatives do it.

Disney really had no choice with James Gunn since he made jokes about loving children and they are known for making children's entertainment. It's just a no win situation for them, and unlike starbucks I doubt they would get away with holding nationwide seminars about sensible tweeting.

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Mob justice was bad when liberals got mass offended online to get people fired, and its bad when conservatives do it.

Disney really had no choice with James Gunn since he made jokes about loving children and they are known for making children's entertainment. It's just a no win situation for them, and unlike starbucks I doubt they would get away with holding nationwide seminars about sensible tweeting.

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Disney isn’t getting duped, he’s completely correct.

If Gunn has made jokes about women, or racist comments, he’d still have his job, but he’s making jokes about little kids while working for the biggest toy company in the world. This is a no brainer for Disney, I just also think it should end with someone throwing a flaming bag of dogshit at Mike and also with Gunn getting another job soon somewhere else.

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Disney isn’t getting duped, he’s completely correct.

If Gunn has made jokes about women, or racist comments, he’d still have his job, but he’s making jokes about little kids while working for the biggest toy company in the world. This is a no brainer for Disney, I just also think it should end with someone throwing a flaming bag of dogshit at Mike and also with Gunn getting another job soon somewhere else.

You say "making" like he's still doing it.

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“I’m disgusted to read all of the support for James Gunn’s pedophile jokes – as the same people supported blacklisting me for a joke they didn’t even understand,”

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And Rian Johnson deleted a lot of tweets too. Which is pretty smart. The site is wondering why someone would do that, despite Johnson not being much of a edgy guy.

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If Gunn has made jokes about women, or racist comments, he’d still have his job, but he’s making jokes about little kids while working for the biggest toy company in the world. This is a no brainer for Disney, I just also think it should end with someone throwing a flaming bag of dogshit at Mike and also with Gunn getting another job soon somewhere else.

I think it should be the other way. That’s the difference for me, Roseanne attacked a real person, but who got victimized by Gunn’s lovely tweets? They were offensive to noone in particular.

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And Rian Johnson deleted a lot of tweets too. Which is pretty smart. The site is wondering why someone would do that, despite Johnson not being much of a edgy guy.

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The answer is, who cares. Kill all that poo poo.

The answer is because people can cherry pick from any arbitrarily large and diverse creative output to build a narrative of their choosing, and if they pick the right one there's apparently a chance Disney will fire somebody for it. The solution is to delete any large cache of output, like all your social media posts.

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The answer is because people can cherry pick from any arbitrarily large and diverse creative output to build a narrative of their choosing, and if they pick the right one there's apparently a chance Disney will fire somebody for it. The solution is to delete any large cache of output, like all your social media posts.

what "narrative" do you think is being created w/ gunn?

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what "narrative" do you think is being created w/ gunn?

Anything beyond "he told edgelord jokes when he worked for an edgelord company during a time when that was acceptable on the internet". Literally anything outside of that exact narrative is 100% a construct.

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Anything beyond "he told edgelord jokes when he worked for an edgelord company during a time when that was acceptable on the internet". Literally anything outside of that exact narrative is 100% a construct.

& what narrative did disney fire him for?

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& what narrative did disney fire him for?

That it was bad PR. What is your goal here?

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That it was bad PR. What is your goal here?

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It was bad PR because of the implications intended in the original dump. I can't imagine anyone, Disney employee or not, saying "Welp he made some lovely jokes ten years ago, gotta fire him". They fired him because there's now a document that exists that supports (in an alarmingly specious way) the notion that he's a pedophile, the American Nazis' black mark of choice for the moment, and Disney wanted to get out ahead of this idea.

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It was bad PR because of the implications intended in the original dump. I can't imagine anyone, Disney employee or not, saying "Welp he made some lovely jokes ten years ago, gotta fire him". They fired him because there's now a document that exists that supports (in an alarmingly specious way) the notion that he's a pedophile, the American Nazis' black mark of choice for the moment, and Disney wanted to get out ahead of this idea.

Okay so the "narrative" that Disney fired him for isn't bad pr but the implication that he's a pedophile - because that's bad pr?

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okay so think i got it - it isn't that he made "lovely jokes" it's that those jokes imply that he's a pedophile - and by spending enough time on anyone's dedicated social media platform everyone has made similar jokes/posts that could be compiled to imply they're a pedophile (or some similarly abhorrent thing) & if u work for Disney they will fire you for this. Therefore "the solution is to delete any large cache of output, like all your social media posts.". That right?

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It was bad PR because of the implications intended in the original dump. I can't imagine anyone, Disney employee or not, saying "Welp he made some lovely jokes ten years ago, gotta fire him". They fired him because there's now a document that exists that supports (in an alarmingly specious way) the notion that he's a pedophile, the American Nazis' black mark of choice for the moment, and Disney wanted to get out ahead of this idea.

The he is a pedophile for making edgy jokes and anyone who supports him is a pedophile is a narrative the pro-trump squad of people, conservative "moms" and bots are using. If you buy that, then congrats you are hella gullible and the type of person they would love to have around.

And if that would be the case I'm a baby killer and a cancerous cell in someone's colon because of some edgy jokes I made a fuckton of years ago.

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The he is a pedophile for making edgy jokes and anyone who supports him is a pedophile is a narrative the pro-trump squad of people, conservative "moms" and bots are using. If you buy that, then congrats you are hella gullible and the type of person they would love to have around.

And if that would be the case I'm a baby killer and a cancerous cell in someone's colon because of some edgy jokes I made a fuckton of years ago.

Are you implying that I think he's a pedophile? Because I don't. Specious means wrong.

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Are you implying that I think he's a pedophile? Because I don't. Specious means wrong.

I wasn't meaning you, like you. But anyone out there who is actually buying it. (English not my mother language and it's *squints* 7:00 am now so I'm like still in sleepy land :p)

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You can own up to that stuff (you know, that you posted as a grown man to provoke people) while also defending yourself against a smear.

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I can't imagine anyone, Disney employee or not, saying "Welp he made some lovely jokes ten years ago, gotta fire him".

This is pretty much exactly what happened.

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You can own up to that stuff (you know, that you posted as a grown man to provoke people) while also defending yourself against a smear.

He was fired almost instantly, defending himself (especially against the effectively infinite mob of Alt-Right Twitter) wouldn't have done a single drat thing.

Also, he already owned up to that stuff years ago. How often, exactly, is one meant to re-up their ownership of jokes made in bad taste?

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How often, exactly, is one meant to re-up their ownership of jokes made in bad taste?

Every time it gets brought up, obviously. Are you new to SJW mob justice or do you not see that this is just a mirror image of it?

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He was fired almost instantly, defending himself (especially against the effectively infinite mob of Alt-Right Twitter) wouldn't have done a single drat thing.

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Maybe directors shouldn't be working for an amoral behemoth in the first place if they don't want to be victims of amoral decision-making.

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Also, he already owned up to that stuff years ago. How often, exactly, is one meant to re-up their ownership of jokes made in bad taste?

Apologies need to be renewed every 10 years, like a driver's license. Duh.

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Maybe directors shouldn't be working for an amoral behemoth in the first place if they don't want to be victims of amoral decision-making.

You can't suckle at Satan's teat and then complain that the milk is curdled.

There's no such thing as ethical consumption or employment under capitalism.

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This is pretty much exactly what happened.

No it's not, Disney knew about the tweets. Disney pays people to track what their park employees are saying on social media, do you really think they didn't know he posted those tweets?

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There's no such thing as ethical consumption or employment under capitalism.

Why does every SA discussion have to boil down to this? Yeah, yeah, we know, nothing good can ever truly happen on this imperfect earth. Anyway, back to discussion, a Washington Post columnist suggests there ought to be some sort of "statute of limitations" on old bad social media postings.

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Of course that's not gonna happen, but she's right about "everything you've ever said can and will be used against you" creates an atmosphere where anyone working in the public eye is gonna have to constantly keep on eye over their shoulder to make sure that something they said at some point in the past isn't gonna come back and bite them when some ideological enemy comes across it and decided to use it as a weapon.

IMO, it's good that Cernovich hasn't been able to claim any more scalps so far, but I think the real bad thing about this firing is that it's absolutely going to create a chilling effect among anyone who works in the media (and beyond). There's probably a ton of people out there right as we speak going through their old social media postings and purging anything remotely controversial, and are going to make drat sure not to say anything too controversial in the future. I mean, very few people have probably posted as bad of jokes as Gunn did, but a ton of people in the public eye are probably not going to want to take any chances, lest alt-right whackjobs target them next.

And IMO that's the really lovely thing about this whole situation, not just "James Gunn is temporarily unemployed."

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Why does every SA discussion have to boil down to this? Yeah, yeah, we know, nothing good can ever truly happen on this imperfect earth.

Because it's really dumb to say "Why didn't Gunn just not work for Disney if he didn't want to have his life hosed up???" as if they're not one of the best options for prominent work if you're a director.

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No it's not, Disney knew about the tweets. Disney pays people to track what their park employees are saying on social media, do you really think they didn't know he posted those tweets?

They fired him because someone made a hitpiece.

Someone somewhere at Disney knew about the tweets, Im sure, but the question isn’t whether anyone at Disney was personally offended, it’s whether anyone at Disney thinks their audience would be offended. The firing isn’t evidence that the higher ups at Disney think James Gunn is a pedophile, the evidence is that they don’t want to employ a dude who wrote a bunch of ironic pedophile tweets that a lot of people are just now seeing for the first time.

Nobody outside of Weird Mike’s most unbalanced followers actually believes Gunn is a pedophile.

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Because it's really dumb to say "Why didn't Gunn just not work for Disney if he didn't want to have his life hosed up???" as if they're not one of the best options for prominent work if you're a director.

He got paid millions of dollars to make two highly popular movies, I’m not sold on his like being hosed up until there’s some consequences for him beyond not getting paid more money by the same company to make another.

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Someone somewhere at Disney knew about the tweets, Im sure, but the question isn’t whether anyone at Disney was personally offended, it’s whether anyone at Disney thinks their audience would be offended. The firing isn’t evidence that the higher ups at Disney think James Gunn is a pedophile, the evidence is that they don’t want to employ a dude who wrote a bunch of ironic pedophile tweets that a lot of people are just now seeing for the first time.

And yet Johnny Depp, John Lassiter, etc.

Keep in mind, these men actually did bad actions, not just wrote down bad words.

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That only matters to a company when it matters. Bill Cosby being a rapist wasn't unknown prior to the Hannibal Burress set, but NBC was still planning a Cosby Show revival and he had a Netflix special lined up until it became beneficial to those companies to drop them.

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