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Wren610
Oct 25, 2010


I wouldn't blame Disney for firing Rian. From a customer service standpoint him constantly tweeting and arguing with star wars fans has acted as fuel for a whole pack of youtube critics when i'm sure Disney just wants the twitter feuds to go away.

People need to stop looking at everything through a political lens. Company's are still learning how employee's social media affects their brand its a learning process that will probably go on for years.

Sometimes they are gonna overreact and sometimes underreact.

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People need to stop looking at everything through a political lens.

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People need to stop looking at everything through a political lens.

This feels like a path to more Nazis. I want fewer Nazis.

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Oct 11, 2013



Rian Johnson is too nice to Star Wars fans imo.

Way, way, way too nice.

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Maybe it's the far left who are truly Nazis, and Disney owning everything is the most mature way to go about things.

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I wouldn't blame Disney for firing Rian. From a customer service standpoint him constantly tweeting and arguing with star wars fans has acted as fuel for a whole pack of youtube critics when i'm sure Disney just wants the twitter feuds to go away.

Rian Johnson's twitter bullshit arguably costs Disney millions in profit, yet they fire James Gunn over 10 year old tweets (which Disney already knew about) instead because a neo-nazi decided to publicly handwring about them.

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Rian Johnson is too nice to Star Wars fans imo.

Way, way, way too nice.

Acknowledging them at all is probably too nice.

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Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."


Getting James Gunn fired by Disney was not the tipping point at which Nazis became empowered in the US, nor was it the first time they’ve tried to smear and ruin “Hollywood liberals.”

Cernovich has been targeting people in this way for years with various degrees of success or failure, so the suggestion that he will now be emboldened by success is ridiculous. He was already emboldened. He convinced a large number people that a pizza parlor was a front a democrat pedophile ring. He was partially responsible for getting John Conyers out of Congress. He started the Susan Rice unmasking controversy (for which Don Jr recommended he won a Pulitzer). He’s gotten journalists fired and reprimanded, or forced them to issue apologies to him.

If you think this is the beginning of something then you weren’t paying attention until he did something that affected comic book movies.

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People need to stop looking at everything through a political lens.

Not really an option these days. The whole reason this thread exists is because of a political hit job, seems kind of silly to say "but don't look at this visibly political incident as a political incident".

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If you think this is the beginning of something then you weren’t paying attention until he did something that affected comic book movies.

"This is how it's always been, so nothing will ever change it and this will be how it works forever."

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Acknowledging them at all is probably too nice.

Any and all interaction with them should be limited to shining a flashlight at them to scare them away from the trash bins.

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Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."


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"This is how it's always been, so nothing will ever change it and this will be how it works forever."

Large numbers of people can’t be bothered to care about or mobilize against a Nazi provocateur until he endangers their favorite corporate franchise so yea, it probably will work that way forever.

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Large numbers of people can’t be bothered to care about or mobilize against a Nazi provocateur until he endangers their favorite corporate franchise so yea, it probably will work that way forever.

"This isn't the right kind of last straw, let's wait for a different one."

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When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

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"This isn't the right kind of last straw, let's wait for a different one."

Lol, sure, this is the last straw, these people won’t completely disappear once the current controversy has faded until such time as weird mike threatens their entertainment again.

If this was anyone’s last straw or wake up call then they are a huge part of the problem and their complete apathy about anything going around them until it affects their movies is inexcusable.

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If this was anyone’s last straw or wake up call then they are a huge part of the problem and their complete apathy about anything going around them until it affects their movies is inexcusable.


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Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."


<looks at everything that’s happened in American politics for the last two, ten, twenty, two hundred years>

Eh, could be worse

<James Gunn gets fired from comic book movies for making ironic pedophile jokes>

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"This isn't the right kind of last straw, let's wait for a different one."

Maybe instead of arguing on the internet about James Gunn being the last straw, we should do something about those concentration camps we have going or about the multiple genocides we're participating in.

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Mar 18, 2014

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Maybe instead of arguing on the internet about James Gunn being the last straw, we should do something about those concentration camps we have going or about the multiple genocides we're participating in.

I agree wholeheartedly. It's not "the last straw" for me, I've been past that point for a while. But for some, it may very well be, and to dismiss that as stupid because it's not "the right reason to get upset" kinda defeats the whole point of waking more people up to the overarching bullshit in general.

It seems like a supremely stupid move for someone to taunt people who may only now be seeing recent trends for what they are, rather than bringing them on board and working toward a solution.

But hey, some people just like being snarky, contrarian shits.

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<looks at everything that’s happened in American politics for the last two, ten, twenty, two hundred years>

Eh, could be worse

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THIS SHALL NOT STAND!

You pick and choose who you're willing to tolarate as allies in a lovely, gatekeeping way, and I cannot underscore enough how terrible an idea that is when you're staring down the barrel of literal Nazis. I can't help but think that maybe you don't get it, maybe you don't understand how lovely and next-level human trash you have to be to willingly don that title. If you seriously think that Obama-era Republicans or even the Tea Party were anything close to Real, Actual Nazis then you're probably too far up your own rear end to be helped.

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If you seriously think that Obama-era Republicans or even the Tea Party were anything close to Real, Actual Nazis then you're probably too far up your own rear end to be helped.

Uh...do you think these are different people or something?

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Uh...do you think these are different people or something?

Should i repeat myself? There are several common key players and a lot of people have revealed themselves to be worse than we ever imagined, but no, Obama-era Republicans were unseated by Tea Partiers, who were a group mostly comprised of middle-age or older conservatives who had never really understood politics. The Alt-Reich is mostly driven by people in the 18-35 bracket who grew up with the Internet and were mostly turned on to politics and white supremacy on the darker side of it.

We traded Captain Planet villains and Anarcho-survivalists for Real, Actual Nazis and you're saying you can't tell the difference?

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Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

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You pick and choose who you're willing to tolarate as allies in a lovely, gatekeeping way, and I cannot underscore enough how terrible an idea that is when you're staring down the barrel of literal Nazis. I can't help but think that maybe you don't get it, maybe you don't understand how lovely and next-level human trash you have to be to willingly don that title. If you seriously think that Obama-era Republicans or even the Tea Party were anything close to Real, Actual Nazis then you're probably too far up your own rear end to be helped.

They’re the same people. The Republicans in power are like 99% the same people that were in power then. Some of them tut tut about decorum and some go full open white supremacist like Steve King, but they all support the policies the Nazis want even if they sometimes distance themselves from the rhetoric. The Republican Party hasn’t changed, it’s simply become more honest about it’s ideals. There’s a throughline from Goldwater right up to Trump.

As for gatekeeping allies...who say’s they’re allies? “Thinks James Gunn shouldn’t have been fired because Mike Cernovich is a Nazi” doesn’t really tell me much about their politics.

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Pretty much nobody thinks he shouldn't have been fired "because Mike Cernovich is a Nazi". It's incidental, and opens up a different discussion entirely on the creepy and disconcerting amount of power actual Nazis have in American society. But if that's your takeaway then you seem to be intentionally misrepresenting the people you're hurling yourself into an argument with.

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May 2, 2010


I think the point is that fascism has been a growing problem in America whose seeds were planted with, or maybe even before, the implementation of the Patriot Act in 2001, and that it’s historically been an ideology that springs from right-wing mindsets.

Donald Trump is a fascist, but that’s mostly because he’s the exact kind of idiot that the GOP has been training the general public to become.

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Should i repeat myself? There are several common key players and a lot of people have revealed themselves to be worse than we ever imagined, but no, Obama-era Republicans were unseated by Tea Partiers, who were a group mostly comprised of middle-age or older conservatives who had never really understood politics. The Alt-Reich is mostly driven by people in the 18-35 bracket who grew up with the Internet and were mostly turned on to politics and white supremacy on the darker side of it.

We traded Captain Planet villains and Anarcho-survivalists for Real, Actual Nazis and you're saying you can't tell the difference?

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Pretty much nobody thinks he shouldn't have been fired "because Mike Cernovich is a Nazi". It's incidental, and opens up a different discussion entirely on the creepy and disconcerting amount of power actual Nazis have in American society. But if that's your takeaway then you seem to be intentionally misrepresenting the people you're hurling yourself into an argument with.

If the charge hadn't been lead by Cernovich or his other Nazi collaborators this story never would have picked up the traction it has. It's interesting largely because of the political dimension and the political dimension is mostly down to who started the witch hunt. Without the panic of Nazis digging through past statements looking for something incriminating to smear their opponents the story would just be "man fired for making many tasteless jokes in the past" which isn't exactly newsworthy and likely happens multiple times a day to people.


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Should i repeat myself? There are several common key players and a lot of people have revealed themselves to be worse than we ever imagined, but no, Obama-era Republicans were unseated by Tea Partiers, who were a group mostly comprised of middle-age or older conservatives who had never really understood politics. The Alt-Reich is mostly driven by people in the 18-35 bracket who grew up with the Internet and were mostly turned on to politics and white supremacy on the darker side of it.

We traded Captain Planet villains and Anarcho-survivalists for Real, Actual Nazis and you're saying you can't tell the difference?

Who do you think is giving Trump his 80+% approval ratings among republicans? The Tea Party movement may have been ideological for some of the leaders but it was undeniably cultural for most of the voters. Trump's an ideological weathervane but he aligns with the Tea Partiers in one very important way, which is white outrage at the world changing and diversifying around them. Those old white folks at the Tea Party rallies who were saying things like keep government out of my medicare and chanting for lower taxes but maintaining social security weren't ideologues that suddenly discovered their ideology right about the time a black president became a possibility, they were angry whites who latched onto whatever party promised to help them stay on top of the social hierarchy. Why do you think the House Freedom Caucus, the Tea Partiest dudes ever, are trying to do Trump a solid and kill the Russia investigation?

You're confusing rhetoric with policy here. Republicans have been the party of white supremacy since pretty much right after the Civil Rights Act passed, they just couched it more palatable terms back then. Now there's a contingent saying what they've wanted to say all along and they've discovered that it doesn't actually make them unelectable.

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Well it looks like Alan Horn got exactly the results he wanted when he fired Gunn in an attempt at damage control....

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Great job there Alan Horn. Most people at Disney disagree with your decision. Marvel disagrees with your decision. The actors disagree with your decision. The entertainment news disagrees with your decision. The fans disagree with your decision. The internet disagrees with your decision. Now the stock market disagrees with your decision.

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Feb 15, 2012

Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment, and will die here like rotten cabbages.

I care deeply about what people say, the way they say it, about everything really that relates to, y'know, humans and how they express themselves with one another.

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Feb 15, 2012

Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment, and will die here like rotten cabbages.

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