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Yup. Tell it to this guy. Could be though that he has somehow only worked for unicorn companies where HR gives a gently caress.
If so, good for him, I've not come across one though in my working life.

After a point the employee churn is costing the company money with hiring and training new people and that's where I assume HR would step in. Then again maybe they just don't talk to accounting.

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After a point the employee churn is costing the company money with hiring and training new people and that's where I assume HR would step in. Then again maybe they just don't talk to accounting.

Again. Lol.
Why would they step in?

Processing the hirings and firings is about all hr do at most places. That and basic paperwork like change of address and bank if the company's systems don't allow self service.

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After a point the employee churn is costing the company money with hiring and training new people and that's where I assume HR would step in. Then again maybe they just don't talk to accounting.

HR's only purpose is to deal with potential lawsuits - it enforces new hire procedures, termination procedures, etc. It doesn't care about employee performance and budgets or career growth - that is the responsibility of the departments the employees work for, not HR. If a manager wants to fire an employee, the only thing HR cares about is 'did the manager follow the appropriate procedures set forth by the company to do so.'

You should treat talking to HR like talking to the cops.

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Wow, guess I was an HR Advisor at a unicorn company then. If a new hire manager went on the warpath like this on an otherwise totally normally performing staff member we would have been on it ASAP to establish what the actual gently caress. At the very least we would have been involved in any demotion process (not to mention half of what she did was appalling process here anyway) and seen both sides of the story. People don't typically magically stop performing just because a new manager comes in, it looks fishy as gently caress if the manager starts performance processes the second they walk through the door.

E: Actually who am I kidding of course it was a unicorn company. Before I left the profession I did a quick contract at a much larger company and brought along the same principles in my approach to work (be helpful! give a poo poo! actually know anything about what the business does!) and when a manager approached my boss with astounded positive feedback saying I was genuinely useful and helpful for an HR person, I was gently taken aside and told that this approach "wasn't how we do things here" because the norm was to be unapproachable and say no.

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Wow, guess I was an HR Advisor at a unicorn company then. If a new hire manager went on the warpath like this on an otherwise totally normally performing staff member we would have been on it ASAP to establish what the actual gently caress. At the very least we would have been involved in any demotion process (not to mention half of what she did was appalling process here anyway) and seen both sides of the story. People don't typically magically stop performing just because a new manager comes in, it looks fishy as gently caress if the manager starts performance processes the second they walk through the door.

E: Actually who am I kidding of course it was a unicorn company. Before I left the profession I did a quick contract at a much larger company and brought along the same principles in my approach to work (be helpful! give a poo poo! actually know anything about what the business does!) and when a manager approached my boss with astounded positive feedback saying I was genuinely useful and helpful for an HR person, I was gently taken aside and told that this approach "wasn't how we do things here" because the norm was to be unapproachable and say no.
In my experience, while not universally true, "those who can't 'do' work in HR."

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