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if this is like the time the czechs tried to get the rest of us to call it czechia, it won't stick

I'd be surprised if a majority of the population knows that Mormons and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are the same thing.

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I'm guessing it's because the term 'Mormon' makes them sound like another religion to outsiders.

There's a whole article you could read that talks about the reasoning...

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Ah right, they do look like clovers! I found it at a car boot sale in the North West of England so I'm sure it can't be genuinely old itself but a replica of an actual item that does exist somewhere maybe? Or someone just trying to evoke that general look? I can't really tell what material it's made of, some kind of metal that's all, there's blue felt (I think) on the back.

It's a cool thing. Based on general feel, I would also guess late Victorian (probably for an Anglo Catholic market). I like the way that the setting of the stones is made to look like a medieval bezel setting. That's some nice attention to detail.

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Hopefully this is the right place to ask this. I am trying to look for a parody of the "atheist professor gets owned by Albert Einstein" trope, but it was about a Catholic professor getting owned by an Orthodox student. Anyone remember this one?

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Hopefully this is the right place to ask this. I am trying to look for a parody of the "atheist professor gets owned by Albert Einstein" trope, but it was about a Catholic professor getting owned by an Orthodox student. Anyone remember this one?

This one?

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A Venetian Catholic Holy Roman elector and violent usurper was teaching a class on Pope Innocent III, known backstabber "patriarch". "Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship the Pope and accept that he was the true head of the only one church of Jesus Christ that the world has ever known, even greater than Constantine the Great!

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-Orthodox Byzantine Patriarch who had peacefully converted 1500 Muslims on Aleppo and understood the necessity of strong diplomatic relations and fully supported all political decision made by the Ecumenical Patriarch stood up and held up a fresh Kaine Diatheke.

"Who made this Testament, pinhead?”

The treacherous Venetian smirked quite Catholicly and smugly replied, “The Italian scribes under vassalage of His Holiness, you stupid heretic."

"Wrong. It’s been 1,000 years since Saint Paul wrote it in Greek in the holy city of Constantinople. If the Bible was, as you say, written by the Jews then why haven't you taken Jerusalem from the Muslims yet and made it your capital?"

The Venetian backstabber was visibly shaken, and dropped his Rosary and copy of the Roman Missal. He stormed out of the room crying those Italian crocodile tears. The same tears Italians cry for the “disgraced Crusaders" (who today live in such luxury that most bath daily) when they jealously try to claw justly earned land from the deserving Byzantines. There is no doubt that at this point our Elector, Urban III, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and refused the concillia after the seventh. He wished so much that he had the Imperial Sword to kill himself from embarrassment, but he himself had pawned it off to the savage Germans!

The students applauded and all followed Orthodoxy that day and accepted the Patriarch of Constantinople as Christ's Representative on Earth. A double-headed eagle named Palaiologos flew into the room and perched atop the Byzantine Shield and shed a tear on the chalk. The Byzantine Rite was sung in its liturgucal entirety several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a church tithe across the country to remove those ugly pillars from the Hagia Sophia and damned every Papist who asserted the heretical doctrine of Filioque.

The Emperor lost Jerusalem and died when he was told the news of yet another failed Crusade. He died of the Black Death and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

(I removed some antisemitic bits from the original copypasta because gently caress that)

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It's a cool thing. Based on general feel, I would also guess late Victorian (probably for an Anglo Catholic market). I like the way that the setting of the stones is made to look like a medieval bezel setting. That's some nice attention to detail.
The only place it truly falls down, imo, is the coloring on the corpus and the holy name: it's supposed to be that cool old enamel but to me it looks like paint

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Anyway, it doesn't really add up. The corpus used is Christ the King or Christ the High Priest, which was insanely popular throughout continental Europe from about the late 10th cen. to the Reformation. The trifleur cross was also very popular throughout the Gothic period.

But IHS XPS is found on very few crucifixes during that period, since everyone in the west switched to INRI. IHS XPS is found on some older crucifixes but they're mostly Anglo-Saxon and old (older than when Christ the King became popular to put on a crucifix in the west.)

And also those little clover stamps kinda look like four-way medals. Which are old but nobody was placing them on crucifixes AFAIK. It's either the greatest art find in the history of the Catholic world or someone's weird high school art project.

This was all very fascinating, thank you! (Actually does anyone have any recommendations for books that talk about the history of religious iconography like this? Maybe just for one period or another since it's probably a massive topic).

And thanks to everyone else as well, the late Victorian idea makes a lot of sense.

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The only place it truly falls down, imo, is the coloring on the corpus and the holy name: it's supposed to be that cool old enamel but to me it looks like paint

I'm pretty sure it is paint, yes. Also I'm sure it's just from how it's been handled but the pattern of the way the gold colour has rubbed off makes it seem like people were rubbing Christ's belly for good luck like a Buddha figure, ha.

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The "King of the Hill" reenactment hiking project is taking a hike through Norway using only viking age gear, basically. The group is Hands on History, which is basically a "historical action and resource bank", meaning that they try out a lot of crafting and do a lot of research into iron age living. Here's a video they made about the hiking project: naked hot girls sex, and here's an sex movies on youtube.

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I'd love to do the hike one day, but they do a pretty thorough vetting, primarily about psychological fortitude and social skills, because you're going to be spending a lot of time with the others and if you break down there's no way to get you out of there. One of the things I thought was pretty neat in the presentation was their observation that you "didn't worry about getting your feet wet, because they were wet all the time". Their approach was simply hiking all day and then drying their foot wraps and feet by a fire in the night.

I don't know exactly who "they" you refer to are, but the festival is extremely cool about inclusion. I saw guards detain and trash talk a guy wearing a free nude voyuer pics t-shirt, which I thought was pretty cool. I have been told the festival has a no-tolerance policy for fascist symbols, but I don't know if it's true. Lot of foreigners attending, also people of colour. Many of the festival organizers are involved with Norwegian pagan federation Bifrost, which is by far the most anti-fascist of the nordic countries pagan movements.

While pickling fish is extremely popular in Scandinavia nowadays, archeological evidence cannot conclude we did it back then. The method is known from medieval sources, but not as early as 1100 which precludes most of the viking age.

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tell me about chieftainry and the cult of odin

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Putting "anarcho-" in front of anything that involves illegitemate hiearchies from a marxist point of view is extremely dumb and said people should jump in a quarry.

No, it's pretty standard stuff from a feudal point of view, what's interesting is that this guy I saw, Josh Rood, wrote a phd detailing how the place-names and finds indicating worship of Odin all are around the burgeoning centres of population and power from which the emerging chieftain class ruled. He also showed how a lot of helmet artifacts had garnet stones without backing around one eye socket, clearly indicating how the chieftain wearing it would have one shining red eye when standing by a fire, indicating that god-questing as Odin was an actual thing

Essentially, heathen religion isn't a uniform religion, and over time, the god of the dude ruling over other dudes had to be legitimized, so even if the others could worship Thor, Frey, Njord etc. in peace, their gods had to be subservient to the god of the chieftain in charge. If you're into it, he said that the phd is available for free online, so I should be able to find it for you. He's also a practicing heathen, and sings in a quite decent black/death metal band called Nexion if that's your bag.

tl;dr: The chieftains coopted the cult of Odin and changed it from something else into Odin the Allfather, chieftain of all Aesir, because it suited their aims and consolidated the aesir under them.

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Putting "anarcho-" in front of anything that involves illegitemate hiearchies from a marxist point of view is extremely dumb and said people should jump in a quarry.

No, it's pretty standard stuff from a feudal point of view, what's interesting is that this guy I saw, Josh Rood, wrote a phd detailing how the place-names and finds indicating worship of Odin all are around the burgeoning centres of population and power from which the emerging chieftain class ruled. He also showed how a lot of helmet artifacts had garnet stones without backing around one eye socket, clearly indicating how the chieftain wearing it would have one shining red eye when standing by a fire, indicating that god-questing as Odin was an actual thing

Essentially, heathen religion isn't a uniform religion, and over time, the god of the dude ruling over other dudes had to be legitimized, so even if the others could worship Thor, Frey, Njord etc. in peace, their gods had to be subservient to the god of the chieftain in charge. If you're into it, he said that the phd is available for free online, so I should be able to find it for you. He's also a practicing heathen, and sings in a quite decent black/death metal band called Nexion if that's your bag.
the kind of metal i like is very limited, i like stuff like Earth, Sun 0))), and Chelsea Wolfe. A lot of the other stuff is just too high-pitched and fast for my ears


why is a chieftain legitimate and a monarch illegitimate? if you band together and agree to make one of you the monarch, why is that illegitimate?

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why is a chieftain legitimate and a monarch illegitimate? if you band together and agree to make one of you the monarch, why is that illegitimate?

Neither are legitimate in an anarchist analysis, that's why I said anarcho-monarchism is an inherently broken word.

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why is a chieftain legitimate and a monarch illegitimate? if you band together and agree to make one of you the monarch, why is that illegitimate?

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Look I'm all for reenactments but Tias, if you sail a bunch of longships across the sea and raid our shores again I'm going to be a bit cross.

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All culture war, no culture.

* Which beliefs in particular? Even this is highly suspect, because as the review makes repeatedly clear, Dreher is trying for a non-denominational approach here. And if society is only viable if you clump into planned communities of the like-minded, that is already not going to work because Catholics, Orthodox, and all the various kinds of Protestant believe very different things. Once again, the only thing that's important to him here is the conservativism. He doesn't seem to actually be religious.

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