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I remember hearing that phrase, or at least similar phrases, when I was a little kid and had no idea what Catholic or Orthodox was. I dislike a lot of the vernacular people use to describe death, the afterlife, heaven, etc. so I guess it's no surprise that this one isn't my favorite either.

It might be a good analogy for kids of certain ages, I'll give it that.

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I guess I just don't care for euphemisms for death because I feel that it takes away from the reality and the theological implications of the situation.

Saying that a person has "fallen asleep in the lord" we don't have to deal with the fact that they are gone and that their soul is in the Lord's hands. It feels weird saying "fallen a sleep" when we don't confess "soul sleep" in the theological sense. (I don't know much about soul sleep, but I'm nudist beach sex videos fairly certain that it's not something the Orthodox believe.) I tend to agree with free pussy and porn Thirteen Orphans then they say that

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“fell asleep in the Lord” is an excellent way to describe the Dormition of Mary, but that’s about it.

If I am wrong about Orthodox Theology, please correct me.

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the thing i don't like when people talk like that is that i see it as being the humans still living who are putting their words and meanings onto an existence that none of them have any experience with. even if God appeared from the heavens tomorrow and told all of us "Christianity is correct and also the afterlife definitely exists" this still doesn't explain the mechanics of going from this life to the next, or what the afterlife is like. yeah a lot of churches have doctrine about this but when you get into super specifics like "oh its just falling asleep lol" the skeptical part of my brain starts tingling

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Oct 11, 2012

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On a much heavier note, the child Andrew for whom I asked for prayers in the last thread died last week, so I ask for more prayers for him from those of you who pray for the dead.

A little lighter of an aside: Does anyone else dislike the phrase "fell asleep in the lord"?
i hate any euphemism, but i do like the things that say dead people are now "in a place where there is no sorrow, no sighing, and light without shadow"

check out the hard core darkness from that priest's funeral i posted, it's about child death

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i hate any euphemism, but i do like the things that say dead people are now "in a place where there is no sorrow, no sighing, and light without shadow"

I had a conversation like this not too long ago, discussing the different afterlives in the Forgotten Realms tabletop setting, and she thought one of the Upper Planes (where good-aligned people go when they die) was kinda horrifying. I noted that it's an afterlife in a community where there is no war, no poverty, no crime, no want. Everyone is a part of a community that they care about, and that cares about them in turn. There is no such thing as an unwanted or unloved person here, and everyone works together for the common good. Is it so hard to believe that this is some people's idea of paradise?

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I had a conversation like this not too long ago, discussing the different afterlives in the Forgotten Realms tabletop setting, and she thought one of the Upper Planes (where good-aligned people go when they die) was kinda horrifying. I noted that it's an afterlife in a community where there is no war, no poverty, no crime, no want. Everyone is a part of a community that they care about, and that cares about them in turn. There is no such thing as an unwanted or unloved person here, and everyone works together for the common good. Is it so hard to believe that this is some people's idea of paradise?



Some people define their sense of self not through what they are and what they belong to, but what they aren't, that's all.

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the thing i don't like when people talk like that is that i see it as being the humans still living who are putting their words and meanings onto an existence that none of them have any experience with. even if God appeared from the heavens tomorrow and told all of us "Christianity is correct and also the afterlife definitely exists" this still doesn't explain the mechanics of going from this life to the next, or what the afterlife is like. yeah a lot of churches have doctrine about this but when you get into super specifics like "oh its just falling asleep lol" the skeptical part of my brain starts tingling

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I had a conversation like this not too long ago, discussing the different afterlives in the Forgotten Realms tabletop setting, and she thought one of the Upper Planes (where good-aligned people go when they die) was kinda horrifying. I noted that it's an afterlife in a community where there is no war, no poverty, no crime, no want. Everyone is a part of a community that they care about, and that cares about them in turn. There is no such thing as an unwanted or unloved person here, and everyone works together for the common good. Is it so hard to believe that this is some people's idea of paradise?


There's something to be said for the pleasure of overcoming a challenge.

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edit: the icon of christ leading the prisoners out of the camp though, while well-meaning, isn't proper to Orthodox tradition.

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edit: the icon of christ leading the prisoners out of the camp though, while well-meaning, isn't proper to Orthodox tradition.

eh, every tradition has to start somewhere and this particular motif has a pretty clear precedent in iconographic depictions of the Harrowing of Hell I'd say, so it's all good imo



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As a child in Sunday School, every time I heard about the harrowing of hell, I always imagined Jesus fist fighting an army of skeletons. Seemed pretty rad at the time.

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There's something to be said for the pleasure of overcoming a challenge.

Funnily enough, D&D accounts for that. Almost all of the Upper Planes, afterlives for good-aligned people, have a realm that's a much tougher neighborhood rather than an idyllic paradise, specifically for those souls who crave some challenge and adventure in their afterlife.

Your options are:

Arcadia: idealized Leave It To Beaver 1950s sitcom, minus the racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, etc.

Mount Celestia: perpetual inward journey of enlightenment.

Bytopia: idealized rural life and small towns, for those who need more elbow room.

Elysium: 24/7 vacation paradise.

Beastlands: idealized untouched natural paradise, for the nature-lovers.

Arborea: free spirited land of adventure.

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As a child in Sunday School, every time I heard about the harrowing of hell, I always imagined Jesus fist fighting an army of skeletons. Seemed pretty rad at the time.

I picture it kicking off with an action movie scene where the criminal on the cross beside him who defended him has a look around Hell and is all "...paradise, huh?"

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The liturgical/D&D crossover is always amazing

Mount Celestia has always felt inspired by Christianity to me. The idea is that the plane consists of seven layers, each infinite but each a level of a mountain you can see on each layer, with a blinding radiant light shining out across the cosmos at the apex. If your soul ends up here, because this is your idea of paradise, you arrive at the foot of the mountain, on a beach surrounded by an infinite sea of holy water. Most souls sooner or later begin their pilgrimage up the mountain, their progress through the Seven Mounting Heavens measured not by physical travel, but by enlightenment and purification, facing tests and guardians and learning experiences along the way. Very few souls ever reach the mountain's apex, where they become one with the primal force of good in the cosmos.

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Mount Celestia has always felt inspired by Christianity to me.

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It's pretty much straight out of Dante's Paradiso.

People read any of Dante's work beyond Inferno?

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i’m gonna say trust but verify, since people have been trying to ratfuck francis for years. if the nuncio’s background makes ratfucking unlikely then it’s probably time for a new pope

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I picture it kicking off with an action movie scene where the criminal on the cross beside him who defended him has a look around Hell and is all "...paradise, huh?"

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"Look, Gustavus, we stripped the humans not just of their skin, but of all their fleshy bits. Even if some weirdo from the Levant does pop down and start a revolt, what're they gonna do?" "Dunno, Adolphus. I dunno. I just got me a bad feeling about all this."

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Can we do other posters?

Hegel is a Neutral Good Gunslinger/Wizard.
i always thought of myself as a fighter tbh, it's the class i almost always play

edit: you are a chaotic good monk, ofc. your sister is also chaotic good.

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i’m gonna say trust but verify, since people have been trying to ratfuck francis for years. if the nuncio’s background makes ratfucking unlikely then it’s probably time for a new pope

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"Look, Gustavus, we stripped the humans not just of their skin, but of all their fleshy bits. Even if some weirdo from the Levant does pop down and start a revolt, what're they gonna do?"

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People read any of Dante's work beyond Inferno?

I'm reading the Divine Comedy now for the first time. Just left Virgil behind to enter Paradise.

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I'm reading the Divine Comedy now for the first time. Just left Virgil behind to enter Paradise.

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As I put it to my husband, "The problem is that I find it entirely plausible that someone could say to Pope Francis that Pope Benedict hadn't given him a fair hearing, and, Pope Francis being interested in giving everyone a fair hearing..." and much of the document is, in theory, able to be verified independently, like what names had been suggested for which sees.

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