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Oct 10, 2012



Lots of english academics aren't left wing at all, what the hell

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So is this guy a rare non left literature professor? Is he critical of this... hermeneutic? I'm kinda lost here.

He hates Foucault which is understandable.

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Lots of english academics aren't left wing at all, what the hell

I've had a few, I suppose. I feel like it's really safe to be left leaning in any humanities field.

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No reading of japanese 3d sex game The Tempest was too contrived or masturbatory for my sophomore Shakespeare class to turn into an hour-long tangent.

This is reminding me of my high-school Shakespeare class and listening to a classmate very earnestly explain how Othello killing Desdemona is kind of like cleaning the toilet, because, like, it sucks and you don't want to do it, but you girl on gilr sex have to, y'know?

Frankly, I think it's a fair reading

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I've had a few, I suppose. I feel like it's really safe to be left leaning in any humanities field.

It is a safe move to not be a brainless stinkyhole

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So is this guy a rare non left literature professor? Is he critical of this... hermeneutic? I'm kinda lost here.

That quote is from Richard Rorty who was a liberal but who thought injecting identity politics and cultural studies into literature analysis was destroying the field and creating a lot of irrelevant readings.

While I enjoyed a lot of the English courses I took I learned the most from that professors class. Other instructors who allowed identity politics to influence their teaching seemed more interested in making connections between the text and current political movements and struggles as opposed to understanding the works on their own. Maybe they felt that gave the English field some relevance as a tool for discussing current social trends since it couldn’t provide the applied skills in the workforce of other majors.

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That quote is from Richard Rorty who was a liberal but who thought injecting identity politics and cultural studies into literature analysis was destroying the field and creating a lot of irrelevant readings.

While I enjoyed a lot of the English courses I took I learned the most from that professors class. Other instructors who allowed identity politics to influence their teaching seemed more interested in making connections between the text and current political movements and struggles as opposed to understanding the works on their own. Maybe they felt that gave the English field some relevance as a tool for discussing current social trends since it couldn’t provide the applied skills in the workforce of other majors.

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nah i completely understood the entirety of the argument you are making and the theory behind it but it takes a narrow understanding of human history to argue it (mostly that of the last half century and mostly western at that). largely no, it doesn't matter if you say ts elliot was writing about lobster or crabs when he wrote about ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas (i will die if i ever read one more paper on this subject it's dumb and i don't care) or that the mountains of madness is about penguin migration. for most of these largely inconsequential takes its left solely on the reader to make a judgement. however to say that's true of all things is rather silly. society as a whole/or societal institutions have and had a large part in determining if a reading is wrong, bad, inconsequential, etc. (mostly we care about decisions that decide when a reading is wrong) and have a larger say in this. larger examples being from a mostly western source: high court rulings and decisions made by roman catholic church council's.

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Jan 19, 2012

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you seem to really want it to be wrong but cannot come up with a reason stronger than you want it to be wrong

also lol at the interpretation of it being "narrow" because it only considers the last 50 years as if the last 50 was not informed by the previous 5000. The conclusions of modern criticism come from the extended historical debate. It's not separate from it.

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Oct 26, 2015



im not saying the theory stated behind it is narrow but to considering only the recent theory as the only valid part is narrow especially since it's a continued debate that hasn't concluded and probs never will be as long as people care about this poo poo

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Jan 19, 2012

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considering only the recent theory as the only valid part is narrow especially since it's a continued debate that hasn't concluded and probs never will be as long as people care about this poo poo

Please, for the love of god, read a book

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im not saying the theory stated behind it is narrow but to considering only the recent theory as the only valid part is narrow especially since it's a continued debate that hasn't concluded and probs never will be as long as people care about this poo poo
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Your mistake here is caring about this poo poo.

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Your mistake here is caring about this poo poo.

the thing is im not actually arguing in good faith here. was invited to cover critical reading theory and critique as it applies to reading histories for an acquaintance's class next week and im extremely out of practice w/ explaining why the arguments i posted prior are dumb to brad the military vet and ethel the bible studies major who i know are going to use these arguments because i have heard these before. so i kinda do have to care about this poo poo :/

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you seem to really want it to be wrong but cannot come up with a reason stronger than you want it to be wrong

also lol at the interpretation of it being "narrow" because it only considers the last 50 years as if the last 50 was not informed by the previous 5000. The conclusions of modern criticism come from the extended historical debate. It's not separate from it.

do you ever read the things you argue against or make a guess based on what you think a person might say

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do you ever read the things you argue against or make a guess based on what you think a person might say

Considering I cited structuralists when I am a post-structuralist

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the thing is im not actually arguing in good faith here. was invited to cover critical reading theory and critique as it applies to reading histories for an acquaintance's class next week and im extremely out of practice w/ explaining why the arguments i posted prior are dumb to brad the military vet and ethel the bible studies major who i know are going to use these arguments because i have heard these before. so i kinda do have to care about this poo poo :/

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