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The new narrative seems to be that evil SJWs are insulting Stan Lee and that's driving people towards cgate again.

I assume what's actually happening is people just making the usual statements about Lee having a very contentious and mixed history in comics witj Kirby etc and it's being blown up by the usual reprobates?

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I think what's actually happening is that they're just using any old excuse to go back to Comicsgate because they were planning to anyway.

Stan Lee's death is just convenient for these people.

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I mean, it's the Internet and there's a fair bit of "Stan Lee was a greedy corporate hack leeching off of Jack Kirby's creativity gently caress that guy he never did a single thing good other than dying" style hot takes, but those have existed at least since the 1980s. Some of them were performatively extreme, my favorite one being pulling this quote out as a great encapsulation of Stan Lee's career, and not even the worst thing he did:



This story is pretty unflattering to Stan Lee, he was racist and drove away a black comic artist!

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I think this is the only 'novel' anti-Lee thing I've seen cropped up since his passing.

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The new narrative seems to be that evil SJWs are insulting Stan Lee and that's driving people towards cgate again.

I assume what's actually happening is people just making the usual statements about Lee having a very contentious and mixed history in comics witj Kirby etc and it's being blown up by the usual reprobates?

Some of it comes from a few people linking to the false stories of Stan Lee sexually harassing his nurses that came out during some of the worst of the time when everybody was trying to take all his money. Also, because he apparently once said he thought Peter Parker should continue to be straight and white in the movies, so therefore he's homophobic and racist.

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I’m pretty sure comicsgate people are gonna try to reopen this poo poo whenever they can because a lot of them seem to have their financial success tied to it. Because no matter the medium the right wing grift machine is strong.

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Also they''re all terrible people and this is one of the only things they have going for them. When you're a piece of poo poo you tend to keep doing piece of poo poo things.

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Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.


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Now, Rian is a white cishet male so he's talking from privelage, but I share it to remind us that groups like comicsgate are small in number. They're aren't a wave or army, they're the same small group of jerks. They're jerks who make money on being jerks. So, of course they'll use any excuse to come back, but they're numbers are exagerrated. I doubt any of these guys who claim they left actually left. This is an excuse to get attention and intimdate.

Make no mistake, CG is dying without leadership. We should be vigiliant and continue telling Nazis to fuckoff, but we shouldn't view this as some resurgence. This is like giving advil to a corpse: it ain't fixing poo poo.

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Bringing Lee into the conversation does add a weird dimension to CG. They talk about going back to the comics were when they were younger, and the misplaced belief that comics were non-political back in the good old days, but if you look at Lee (and others) output during their peak you see that Lee and Kirby created Black Panther, X-Men comics were a stand in for minorities, Spiderman was just a regular shlub trying to do the right thing for others etc. The stories being pumped out by Marvel during Lee's tenure were about acceptance and tolerance.

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Bringing Lee into the conversation does add a weird dimension to CG. They talk about going back to the comics were when they were younger, and the misplaced belief that comics were non-political back in the good old days, but if you look at Lee (and others) output during their peak you see that Lee and Kirby created Black Panther, X-Men comics were a stand in for minorities, Spiderman was just a regular shlub trying to do the right thing for others etc. The stories being pumped out by Marvel during Lee's tenure were about acceptance and tolerance.

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